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[freedom78]

Facts don't matter.

[Zimbochick]

It will be catastrophic. I'm no spring chicken and when I was a wee lass we learned about the impact of pollution on the environment. When did this become considered a conspiracy theory or a communist plot?

[freedom78]

It will be catastrophic. I'm no spring chicken and when I was a wee lass we learned about the impact of pollution on the environment. When did this become considered a conspiracy theory or a communist plot?

 

Because in two party politics you have to cozy up to whoever there is.  If one side gets the environmentalists, you might as well appeal to the deniers.  In a thriving multi party system, we could have a fringe party of climate change deniers and no one would pay them much attention.  The center right party would believe in climate change but try to advocate market solutions or some such nonsense, but they'd accept the basic facts of it.

[Mr. Roboto]

Good point. I never thought about it like that. 

[freedom78]

Good point. I never thought about it like that. 

 

There are political sciencey charts n' things to demonstrate what I mean.  The basic notion is that, for a party seeking to position itself, it seeks the middle point of the population between the nearest parties to its right and left.  But since we have a two viable party system, the GOP has no viable party to its right, just as the Dems have no viable party to their left.  So, for each, I'd expect to see them position closer to the center than to the extremes, doing a calculus as to what can get them those extreme votes without alienating the middle.  Given the time the GOP has invested in discrediting science, education, and facts, I would imagine the broader goal to be one of undermining the attachment to scientific fact in the middle, so as to not alienate them when you appeal to the extreme.

 

Dems do it too...just on other issues and probably with less skill. 

 

It should also be said that this isn't necessarily a fully planned process.  A party that fails to maximize in this way will lose and its candidates will be replaced with those who can better optimize their position on the ideological spectrum.  Of course, turnout matters too, so it's much more complex than what I've laid out here.

[Mr. Roboto]

Flynn says he's willing to testify for immunity. 

 

(Grabs popcorn) 

[Mr. Roboto]

[Its Cousin]

Flynn says he's willing to testify for immunity. 

 

(Grabs popcorn) 

 

 

In the distant future, historians will agree that that was the moment when the shit hit the fan.

[Mr. Roboto]

heh heh

 

[AxlsMainMan]

In the distant future, historians will agree that that was the moment when the shit hit the fan.

 

Hitler, Art, and Flagg currently in hiding 

[Its Cousin]

That they won't grant immunity is curious... it leaves me think that maybe the committee wants to bury his ass (unlikely), or those fuckers are colluding to obstruct the investigation thinking what Flynn knows will never see the light of day... shit, it's obvious to anyone that isn't up Trump's ass that they're trying to cover their asses and hide what those anti-American pieces of shit associated with Trump's campaign have done... probably, with the full knowledge and consent of that orange stained shit gibbon, himself.

[Mr. Roboto]

The LA Times had a great article about Trump today. Henry Rollins also had a scathing article in another LA rag. I also had time to briefly look over another Russian connection story printed in the Washington Post. But really, all I care about today...

 

[Timothy]

great now I'm having a nightmare to night,sir.

[Mr. Roboto]

[AxlsMainMan]

 

 

Before This Is Over, Republicans Are Going to Wish Hillary Clinton Won

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The destruction of Hillary Clinton: sexism, Sanders and the millennial feminists

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