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[Mr. Roboto]

This video is bitter-sweet to watch.

http://www.tulsaworl...A1_CUTLIN999189

I was actually just talking about this subject with the Missus the other night. It really makes me wonder how we are hard wired to ultimately be who we are. When you look at somebody like that, to me anyway, it's obvious that she sees herself as a female and that's it. There is nothing in that girl that reminds me of a male in anyway what-so-ever.

[LISA]

be who you are,love who you are..it is the mind and heart,,,go Katie

[lynn]

This video is bitter-sweet to watch.

http://www.tulsaworl...A1_CUTLIN999189

Thanks for sharing this. I give Katie all the credit in the world for being brave enough to stand up for who she is. I give much credit to those parents, too, who support their transgendered children and who are able to recognize it and go with it, even when the child is very young. It can't be an easy road. but I personally think they are doing the right thing. You're right, Lisa, it is truly the mind and heart - and soul of a person - that matters. Shame on those who would rather spit on her.

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[Macker]

But what about Chaz? From manish woman to effeminite man. I don't care but he's everywhere. He was so relieved to have his breasts removed but does not care to have a penis, no issues with uncomfortable rolls of fat or having to wear tight relaxed fit slacks w/a knotted tie? What gives man?

[PERM BANNED]

Hold on, this side show doesn't even have a fake cock? Sorry, this is one of those issues that piss me off to no end. Your chromosomes decide your sex, not your opinion. So this girl had her breast removed, took some hormone injections, but didn't get a fake penis sculpted. yet wants to be called a man? If as these people say, they want to look on the outside as they feel on the inside, having a penis and testicle is pretty much the defining feature of male mammals. I don't care what anyone does with their lives, but I won't consider her a man, regardless of what the masses of sheep do. If I hacked my dick off, took estrogen pills and had implants, no matter how hard I wished it so, I'd still be a man. This type of warped thinking where going under the scalpel changes your gender is no less delusional than the billions who buy into fairytales about our origin or where we go after.

[wedjat]

I personally don't care if someone feels they aren't the right sex & decide to do the transgender thing. To each their own. I was just thinking of his fiancee who he started dating when he was a woman, which of course makes the fiancee a lesbian. Now he's done the transition to a man so the fiancee is forced to be a heterosexual now in a way, right? I wonder how long that relationship will last. I wouldn't call Chaz a sideshow, the only reason he's getting attention is because he's a kid of celebrity. This transgender thing happens to many people around the world & you never hear of it because they're not in the limelight.

[lynn]

Hold on, this side show doesn't even have a fake cock? Sorry, this is one of those issues that piss me off to no end. Your chromosomes decide your sex, not your opinion. So this girl had her breast removed, took some hormone injections, but didn't get a fake penis sculpted. yet wants to be called a man? If as these people say, they want to look on the outside as they feel on the inside, having a penis and testicle is pretty much the defining feature of male mammals. I don't care what anyone does with their lives, but I won't consider her a man, regardless of what the masses of sheep do. If I hacked my dick off, took estrogen pills and had implants, no matter how hard I wished it so, I'd still be a man. This type of warped thinking where going under the scalpel changes your gender is no less delusional than the billions who buy into fairytales about our origin or where we go after.

It's so easy to judge other people unfairly when you haven't walked in their shoes and know what it feels like. Just because something's never happened to you does not make it any less real for the person who is going through it.

Chromosomes and physical characteristics are sexual identity. Gender identity is something completely different. They are not the same.

I don't consider myself to be part of a mass of sheep, but someone who tries to keep an open mind about things and tries to realize that every human being is created differently. My personal experiences and feelings are completely different from the next person's, and I can't possibly know what that person is going through.

I give Chaz Bono a lot of credit for having the guts to talk openly about his experiences and feelings. He can perhaps use his "celebrity" to help inform. Wedjat - just wanted to add that I've known of a lot of couples who have survived this type of transition and prefer not to use labels about themselves. They look more at the soul and substance of who the person is, because in the long run they realize that they are still with the same person.

[Zimbochick]

Hold on, this side show doesn't even have a fake cock? Sorry, this is one of those issues that piss me off to no end. Your chromosomes decide your sex, not your opinion. So this girl had her breast removed, took some hormone injections, but didn't get a fake penis sculpted. yet wants to be called a man? If as these people say, they want to look on the outside as they feel on the inside, having a penis and testicle is pretty much the defining feature of male mammals. I don't care what anyone does with their lives, but I won't consider her a man, regardless of what the masses of sheep do. If I hacked my dick off, took estrogen pills and had implants, no matter how hard I wished it so, I'd still be a man. This type of warped thinking where going under the scalpel changes your gender is no less delusional than the billions who buy into fairytales about our origin or where we go after.

Wow, so angry. What's it to you anyway? I think trangenderism is one of those situations that is completely alien to those who don't experience it. From what I have heard it feels as though you are trapped inside someone else's body. What exactly would you prefer people be classified as after they receive massive doses of sex hormones and have surgery to alter their primary and secondary sexual characteristics? Forcing them to legally retain their birth gender would set them up for a life of ridicule and hardship. Getting a job, legal transactions, marriage would be complicated and open to extreme prejudice. Would you rather them be legally labelled transgender?

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Most states recognize them for what they are, a woman or man depending on what they were at birth. Again, I don't care what people do with their life. But I'm not going to redefine things to fit some neat and cozy little frame that makes someone feel better about themselves. A man/woman who undergoes surgery doesn't wake up a member of the opposite sex. They wake up a member of their original sex with mutilation done to their genitalia and a lifetime of shots to take. What I'm saying is I'm not going to pretend Chaz is a man. He's a woman who had an operation to make him appear vaguely like a man. If I went off the deep end and decided I wanted to look like Spock, and had some even nuttier surgeon give me Vulcan ears, eye brows and somehow manage to change my blood green, that doesn't make me a vulcan. So explain to me, how a woman who likes other woman, getting a surgery where she grows some facial hair and loses her breasts, yet doesn't have a penis sculpted (not that they could engineer a working penis anyway) is somehow supposed to be viewed as a heterosexual man? Point and case those tabloid articles a year or two ago that claimed some woman to be the first man in the world to have a baby. She wasn't a man in the first place. She was a woman, who had the ability to carry a child, who decided to have her sex organs mutilated and took some testoterone shots. It's an attempt to redefine reality and pay homage to this weak, unjustified self-esteem oriented culture we've transformed into the past 30 years. Where everyone is told they're special and can be anything they want to be. And above all else, you should feel good about yourself redardless of any accomplishment worth praise. If Chaz wants to alter his body and pretend to be a man. Whatever. I see him as no different than that adult baby you linked a video to the other day. Where does one draw the line at mental disorders? When does one say thinking you hear voices in your head is fucked up, but thinking yourself a man when you have a vagina and 34DD tits is okay. Do what you want with your life, but I'm not going to play ball and pretend I can't see you when you claim your magic cloak makes you invisible. I'm an adult, and I attempt to act like one.

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How many of the men on this forum would be okay with finding out months into sleeping with someone that they were originally a man?

[Mr. Roboto]

What would you do?

[LISA]

Hold on, this side show doesn't even have a fake cock? Sorry, this is one of those issues that piss me off to no end. Your chromosomes decide your sex, not your opinion. So this girl had her breast removed, took some hormone injections, but didn't get a fake penis sculpted. yet wants to be called a man? If as these people say, they want to look on the outside as they feel on the inside, having a penis and testicle is pretty much the defining feature of male mammals. I don't care what anyone does with their lives, but I won't consider her a man, regardless of what the masses of sheep do. If I hacked my dick off, took estrogen pills and had implants, no matter how hard I wished it so, I'd still be a man. This type of warped thinking where going under the scalpel changes your gender is no less delusional than the billions who buy into fairytales about our origin or where we go after.

It's so easy to judge other people unfairly when you haven't walked in their shoes and know what it feels like. Just because something's never happened to you does not make it any less real for the person who is going through it.

Chromosomes and physical characteristics are sexual identity. Gender identity is something completely different. They are not the same.

I don't consider myself to be part of a mass of sheep, but someone who tries to keep an open mind about things and tries to realize that every human being is created differently. My personal experiences and feelings are completely different from the next person's, and I can't possibly know what that person is going through.

I give Chaz Bono a lot of credit for having the guts to talk openly about his experiences and feelings. He can perhaps use his "celebrity" to help inform. Wedjat - just wanted to add that I've known of a lot of couples who have survived this type of transition and prefer not to use labels about themselves. They look more at the soul and substance of who the person is, because in the long run they realize that they are still with the same person.

well said Lynn and i agree 110%

[PERM BANNED]

Rinse my mouth out with buckshot. But on a more serious note, I'd feel horribly deceived and angry. Then I'd be smakcing myself for not seeing all the obvious signs. But I would certainly sever all ties with this person, if I didn't beat the shit out of them first. And before someone tries to portray that as some kind of hate crime, I feel that something of that magnitude is worth bringing up before sex occurs. Obviously not at the first date, but as you're about to slip it in, that sounds like a great time to say "By the way..." and allow me to make a decision. Either way I'd be very upset and require years of therapy or a hundred handles of jack to get over it. And probably more after that.

[Zimbochick]

It's no different to the other big issues that people ought to reveal early on. Criminal record, children, alcoholism, mental health issues, strong beliefs, etc. Why would this not be discussed early on like everything else?