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[cousin it]

There has yet to be proven one instance in modern history of an innocent person being put to death.

Ya know, I have serious mixed feeling regarding state killing, but this case might have changed those feelings. Still, I feel there are some people that must suffer the ultimate penalty for the heinousness of their crime... cop killers and political assassins, child murderers... But damn! To, be so presumptuous as to, make that claim is is the epitome of ignorance. For one-- define "modern history".

Surely, Claude Jones fits your description of "modern". Anyway, that seditious fucktard Rick Perry will have to answer to this state sanctioned wanton murder.

Oops. Link: http://www.skeptical...ble-claude.html

[Zimbochick]

This case has made news headlines around the world this morning. This statement in the Wall Street Journal by University of Georgia law professor Donald E. Wilkes Jr. sums up how I feel about it: “I think this is a clear case where Troy Davis’s guilt is not certain,” he said. “It may be probable or even very probable, but it’s not certain and I believe no one should be put to death unless evidence of their guilt is certain.”

[wedjat]

Huh. So a case w/no overwhelming evidence, admittance that this wasn't clear cut & Flagg still agrees the man should've been put to death. Anyone else here surprised by this?

[PERM BANNED]

I don't know what you consider overwhelming evidence, but bullet casings from two seperate crime scenes that match and the perp is identified as the same guy counts as physical evidence. Numerous eye witnesses, people other than friends, identifying him as the shooter counts as overwhelming evidence. This case was looked at by numerous courts, to include the supreme court. Ginsburg isn't on TV decrying this saying the evdience and procedures were wrong. The man killed a cop, and now he's worm food. All the favorite excuses for bias and prejudice don't hold up on this case. It was thoroughly reviewed and upheld.

[wedjat]

I don't know what you consider overwhelming evidence, but bullet casings from two seperate crime scenes that match and the perp is identified as the same guy counts as physical evidence. Numerous eye witnesses, people other than friends, identifying him as the shooter counts as overwhelming evidence. This case was looked at by numerous courts, to include the supreme court. Ginsburg isn't on TV decrying this saying the evdience and procedures were wrong. The man killed a cop, and now he's worm food. All the favorite excuses for bias and prejudice don't hold up on this case. It was thoroughly reviewed and upheld.

Unhuh, as I said, not surprising.

[freedom78]

There has yet to be proven one instance in modern history of an innocent person being put to death.

Come on. Depending on the source, there have been at least 100 DNA exonerations and perhaps as many as 300 (this is from a quick search...I don't know which number may be correct, nor do I think it matters). So, unless there is something wholly different about capital crimes now than there was before DNA science, you have to admit that it is statistically improbable that there were no mistaken guilty verdicts that have led to death sentences. DNA has made the process much better, but that implies that it had problems to begin with. Can I prove a wrongful execution? Nope. I don't follow these things enough to know such a thing happened. But if you're going to take the position that the lack of proof that something happened means that it never did, even when it takes a logical leap of Grand Canyon proportions to assume that the only wrongful convictions have occurred in the DNA era and all such convictions have or will be overturned by the uncovering of DNA evidence...come on, you HAVE to know that that position is impossibly wrong. I'm not saying that the system always messes up or that it even does so regularly; I AM saying that the fact that so many have been overturned AFTER the fact is certainly compelling to the likelihood that some were NOT overturned and wrongful executions took place.

[cousin it]

Woke up and put on the news and learned that Davis had been executed... I am ashamed, and hurt, at the action/in-action of my government.

:weeps:

Numerous eye witnesses, people other than friends,...

And one of those "eye witnesses" has identified another of those "eye witnesses" as the killer. And, has evidence that that "eye witness" has threatened the life of the other "eye witness" if that person tells...

For shame, my government. For shame!

[PERM BANNED]

There has yet to be proven one instance in modern history of an innocent person being put to death.

Come on. Depending on the source, there have been at least 100 DNA exonerations and perhaps as many as 300 (this is from a quick search...I don't know which number may be correct, nor do I think it matters). So, unless there is something wholly different about capital crimes now than there was before DNA science, you have to admit that it is statistically improbable that there were no mistaken guilty verdicts that have led to death sentences. DNA has made the process much better, but that implies that it had problems to begin with. Can I prove a wrongful execution? Nope. I don't follow these things enough to know such a thing happened. But if you're going to take the position that the lack of proof that something happened means that it never did, even when it takes a logical leap of Grand Canyon proportions to assume that the only wrongful convictions have occurred in the DNA era and all such convictions have or will be overturned by the uncovering of DNA evidence...come on, you HAVE to know that that position is impossibly wrong. I'm not saying that the system always messes up or that it even does so regularly; I AM saying that the fact that so many have been overturned AFTER the fact is certainly compelling to the likelihood that some were NOT overturned and wrongful executions took place.

No, but I can't say it's happened, because every guilty man claims they're innocent. And at nearly every execution, stands a bunch of people crying for mercy, forgiveness or claiming that they were innocent all along and another wonderful human being is going to be lost. Interestingly, some idiot from Texas who drug a black man to death was executed last night as well. Yet the media wasn't covering cries from the educated masses demanding he be set free or spaired. I wonder why?

[cousin it]

There has yet to be proven one instance in modern history of an innocent person being put to death.

Come on. Depending on the source, there have been at least 100 DNA exonerations and perhaps as many as 300 (this is from a quick search...I don't know which number may be correct, nor do I think it matters). So, unless there is something wholly different about capital crimes now than there was before DNA science, you have to admit that it is statistically improbable that there were no mistaken guilty verdicts that have led to death sentences. DNA has made the process much better, but that implies that it had problems to begin with. Can I prove a wrongful execution? Nope. I don't follow these things enough to know such a thing happened. But if you're going to take the position that the lack of proof that something happened means that it never did, even when it takes a logical leap of Grand Canyon proportions to assume that the only wrongful convictions have occurred in the DNA era and all such convictions have or will be overturned by the uncovering of DNA evidence...come on, you HAVE to know that that position is impossibly wrong. I'm not saying that the system always messes up or that it even does so regularly; I AM saying that the fact that so many have been overturned AFTER the fact is certainly compelling to the likelihood that some were NOT overturned and wrongful executions took place.

No, but I can't say it's happened, because every guilty man claims they're innocent. And at nearly every execution, stands a bunch of people crying for mercy, forgiveness or claiming that they were innocent all along and another wonderful human being is going to be lost. Interestingly, some idiot from Texas who drug a black man to death was executed last night as well. Yet the media wasn't covering cries from the educated masses demanding he be set free or spaired. I wonder why?

Because it was fucking obvious that that piece of shit took a log chain and chained a man to the back of his truck, and dragged that man for 3 miles behind his truck. Ya see, It is cases like this that give me mixed feelings about capital punishment.

[Timothy]

Apples and oranges.

[cousin it]

Whatever my feelings... When this motherfucker is put to death, I will celebrate.

http://www.cncpunish...tucky-Death-Row

EDIT: My family was a victim of this predator. Fortunately, it was before he became murderous. A long time ago, a member of my family sold dope, and this motherfucker robbed him of a substantial amount of marijuana... do to the nature of the crime, it was never reported.

[artcinco]

Time of death of Troy Davis was at 11:08PM
http://www.democracynow.org/ live streaming

Is it still "live" streaming at that point?





- Too soon?

[cousin it]

Time of death of Troy Davis was at 11:08PM
http://www.democracynow.org/ live streaming

Is it still "live" streaming at that point





- Too soon?

No. It has now become a perversion of jurisprudence, democracy, and all that is decent.

[wedjat]

I think it's hilarious that some people still engage Flagg in "conversation" & try to point out facts. Why bother? Quite obvious that Flagg is a git.....or whatever. Anyway, why bother w/someone who believes themselves the upper hand when they really aren't? I mean,what does it get you? Nothing but a bunch of time wasted. Sorry Flagg, your douchness I'm not fond of, and I suspect most others aren't fond of it as well. Now you go & spout a bunch of proper english, big words & a lot of proudness but we all know what you really are....an asshole disguised as someone who thinks they are beyond that. Yawn.