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[Adolf Hitler]

Wish I had responded to that back then. Not sure why I didn't. Oxy's a helluva drug.. 

 

 

You do make a good point on the immaturity of the note. For that brief moment when they hit the pause button on their obsession of the Ramseys they gave a look(not close enough) to a couple of teen boys in that neighborhood. I don't remember all the details. I do know that the crime scene is too complex and staged for that type which leads me back to the ransom note being a red herring. 

 

The 'movie phrases' dots were connected immediately. All the pop culture references in the note were from movies that had been shown on cable TV in the weeks leading up to the murder. Hell, Speed would have been fresh in anyone's mind at that point.

 

Young person thinking 118k a lot of money? Doesn't matter. The clue is that was John's bonus. 

 

 

 

Excellent point on the intentional misspellings, punctuation,etc.  Once again I have two words....red herring.

 

"Disjointed thoughts"...unfortunately this did the Ramseys no favors. Two adults living in the house and the note MIGHT have been written by two people?  Coincidence? Not sure but I still got a herring that's flaming red.

 

 

"I think the sign off "Victory! S.B.T.C" ".............is the guts of the herring. It means NOTHING.

 

 

" I can't help but wonder if the intention of the ransom note was truly meant to be a ransom note for her body, but that somehow their plan fell through when they were not able to take her body from the scene? Or perhaps when the person could not take her alive from the scene (not strong enough?) they decided to kill her in the home."

 

Now you're getting somewhere. I don't believe that but at least you're thinking. At least you think more than BPD ever did.  Although I wish you'd come back so I could hear your theory on why ANYONE would murder a child, write a ransom note, then want to take the body so they can get a pile of money but they're too weak to carry the body.  Sounds like a David Lynch- Coen Brothers- Takeshi Miike mind fuck. Here's the thing .....there was not and never was going to be a kidnapping. I will never understand the fixation on this damn note. One thing, we can never know the exact moment the note was written. We just cant. It cant be carbon dated. What we do know is that Jonbenet was already dead the moment the note was placed on the stairs. What purpose does the note serve at that juncture? It buys time. Had the killer known it would buy eternity they'd have dropped dead on the spot from laughter. That note was meant to buy several hours tops. How could it buy any more? Her body is downstairs! The killer didn't know it would take the cops 8 HOURS  after being in the home to finally suggest someone have a peak in the basement.

 

On the subject of that basement, creepy as hell. That one pic years ago where the crime techs are photographing the home and they take a pic of that cellar door not knowing she is lying behind it dead is chilling. Why was Barney Fife put in charge of processing the scene?

 

".I can't help but wonder if they looked closely enough at ex-trainees or employees there".....they looked briefly. A few disgruntled workers but nothing panned out. Surprised?

 

 

 

One other thing...don't forget John Ramsey's words minutes after finding her body: "This is an inside job!" The comment and how so many family members/friends were gathered around caused the detective in the room to consider drawing her gun and counting her bullets. True story.  Bat shit crazy. 

 

One of the most interesting clues(shocker: cops don't care) is how John's best friend Fleet White had checked the basement earlier that day and swears he saw nothing in there. Like 5 or 6 hours later when the cops suggest the family "take another look around" John goes to the basement and finds her. This will never be explained.

[Adolf Hitler]

I went to look up the ransom note. I hadn't read it in about 10-15 years. It's a doozy alright. Here it is:

 

Mr. Ramsey,

Listen carefully! We are a group of individuals that represent a small foreign faction. We do respect your bussiness [sic] but not the country that it serves. At this time we have your daughter in our posession [sic]. She is safe and unharmed and if you want her to see 1997, you must follow our instructions to the letter.

You will withdraw $118,000.00 from your account. $100,000 will be in $100 bills and the remaining $18,000 in $20 bills. Make sure that you bring an adequate size attache to the bank. When you get home you will put the money in a brown paper bag. I will call you between 8 and 10 am tomorrow to instruct you on delivery. The delivery will be exhausting so I advise you to be rested. If we monitor you getting the money early, we might call you early to arrange an earlier delivery of the money and hence a [sic] earlier delivery pick-up of your daughter.

Any deviation of my instructions will result in the immediate execution of your daughter. You will also be denied her remains for proper burial. The two gentlemen watching over your daughter do^not particularly like you so I advise you not to provoke them. Speaking to anyone about your situation, such as Police, F.B.I., etc., will result in your daughter being beheaded. If we catch you talking to a stray dog, she dies. If you alert bank authorities, she dies. If the money is in any way marked or tampered with, she dies. You will be scanned for electronic devices and if any are found, she dies. You can try to deceive us but be warned that we are familiar with law enforcement countermeasures and tactics. You stand a 99% chance of killing your daughter if you try to out smart [sic] us. Follow our instructions and you stand a 100% chance of getting her back.

You and your family are under constant scrutiny as well as the authorities. Don't try to grow a brain John. You are not the only fat cat around so don't think that killing will be difficult. Don't underestimate us John. Use that good southern common sense of yours. It is up to you now John!

Victory!

S.B.T.C

[Adolf Hitler]

Could've swore I posted about that note before logging out last night. Maybe 4G went down for a spell..

 

I still say that note is a red herring wrapped in a few smokescreens but it does contain a few clues which is probably why John Douglas has always stated the note is key to solving the crime. I strongly disagree as the few clues are captain obvious shit and don't really lead us anywhere. The only unconventional clue you MIGHT draw from it is thinking the note wasn't written by the killer which I highly doubt.

 

On to the few clues....

 

"Mr. Ramsey" and then couple paragraphs later he is "John".......writer of the note knows the family.

 

"Execution", "burial", "beheaded"........the writer of the note knows she is already dead and its reflected in this note. Their choice of words also reflects rage directed at Jonbenet which shows the killer knew her.

 

"fat cat with good southern common sense"......IMO this was the writer's only crucial slip up. Not only does it prove the writer knows the family it proves they know the history of the family. Maybe this is what Douglas wanted BPD to focus on.

 

Thats it. I realize expert analysts who tore it apart word by word love focusing on how the writer is needlessly concerned about the size of the attache, size of the "foreign faction", pointless request for bill denominations, saying to get rest, and the mention of two men guarding her when she's already dead downstairs.but this stuff is just meant to throw LE off and it achieved that quite nicely.

[freedom78]

You know what else is a red herring?  Communism...

 

[AxlsMainMan]

Could've swore I posted about that note before logging out last night. Maybe 4G went down for a spell..

 

I still say that note is a red herring wrapped in a few smokescreens but it does contain a few clues which is probably why John Douglas has always stated the note is key to solving the crime. I strongly disagree as the few clues are captain obvious shit and don't really lead us anywhere. The only unconventional clue you MIGHT draw from it is thinking the note wasn't written by the killer which I highly doubt.

 

On to the few clues....

 

"Mr. Ramsey" and then couple paragraphs later he is "John".......writer of the note knows the family.

 

"Execution", "burial", "beheaded"........the writer of the note knows she is already dead and its reflected in this note. Their choice of words also reflects rage directed at Jonbenet which shows the killer knew her.

 

"fat cat with good southern common sense"......IMO this was the writer's only crucial slip up. Not only does it prove the writer knows the family it proves they know the history of the family. Maybe this is what Douglas wanted BPD to focus on.

 

Thats it. I realize expert analysts who tore it apart word by word love focusing on how the writer is needlessly concerned about the size of the attache, size of the "foreign faction", pointless request for bill denominations, saying to get rest, and the mention of two men guarding her when she's already dead downstairs.but this stuff is just meant to throw LE off and it achieved that quite nicely.

 

Speaking of clusterfucks, what do you make of the West Memphis 3? The Paradise Lost documentaries do a nice job of pushing them as innocent kids railroaded for listening to heavy metal or having long hair, but the more research I did into the case the more they looked incredibly guilty. The murder weapon being found in a lake behind Jason's house and Jesse leading the police to an empty liquor bottle from the night of the murders exactly where he said it'd be come to mind.

[Adolf Hitler]

AMM- thanks for opening a can of worms in a thread already consisting of several cans HAHA.

 

I was really into that WM3 case years ago. I am a 'crime junkie' to an extent. Have posted on many crime forums since the 90s.

 

I never believed they did it and one vital fact proves it. The crime scene is not the scene of the crime. It's a dump site. Neither of those teens had a vehicle and even if borrowing a mom's car, how do three kids transport 3 bodies in a pinto or whatever the fuck it was?

 

Like with the Ramsey case, I do not remember all the facts on the WM3. Too many years and drugs ago. I remember the broad strokes but its enough to say they are innocent.

 

When John Douglas(world's greatest profiler) finally weighed in on the case many years later, he was SHOCKED that those teens had been railroaded and neither of those stepfathers had been hit hard in an interrogation room. Remember those horrific genital wounds the boys had that made Mayberry think devil worshiping teens murdered them? Come to find out, turtles did that while the bodies were in that water. Outrageous and so called "experts" testified in that trial those teens did it. Douglas was floored by the incompetence of it all. He said that fact right there would have sent him in a different direction than those 3 teens.

 

There are only two legitimate suspects in the case. Neither will ever be charged due to the fact that town will never admit they were wrong. The two stepfathers Byers or Hobbs. Wish Douglas would come out of retirement and nail those two fuckers to the wall. I bet he could crack them in an hour. I think he could solve the Ramsey case as well.

 

During the WM3 saga the first half of the saga had people believing Byers killed them. I think most of the rage was directed at his stepson but the genital mutilation that turned into turtle bites kind of discounts that theory. There were bite marks on one of the boy's ass and less than a year later Byer had all his teeth pulled out. Coincidence? I didn't think so but now that I've jumped on the Hobbs side of the fence, I'll give him a pass on the teeth pulling. Byers also believes the WM3 are now innocent after believing they were guilty for years. He was a big advocate on the case. If you're the murderer, you're not begging for those found guilty to be released. I think the first three WM3 docs wasted too much time on Byer. I believe it played a role in dragging it all out.

 

Hobbs was/is a very shady character. Hobbs had an ironclad alibi for 20 YEARS. When Douglas assisted that latest documentary on the case by talking to this witness, Douglas got him to admit it was a lie within five minutes. Douglas is a miracle worker. Unfortunately this didn't matter as the authorities dont care. 

 

Have you ever listened to the interrogations. HORRIBLE. Barney and Gomer feed the suspects information, ask them a question , suspects parrot what they've just been told, then Barney and Gomer say 'Gotcha!". Hell, the teens didn't even know what TIME the boys were killed until they were told! Another thing, they were interrogated for hours without an attorney. Interrogating anyone continuously without an attorney easily leads to false confessions. 

 

AMM if they were guilty, why didn't they know any real details about the actual murders until the Barney and Gomer told them? The cops had to keep correcting their mistakes.

 

Also, this case has a peculiar clue....

 

I guy referred to as "Bojangles", a black man covered in blood walked into the restaurant Bojangles the day of the murders. He stayed in their rest room about an hour cleaning himself up. One of the workers looked in and there was blood and shit all over the floor.

 

Get this wacky Mayberry shit: Cops went there to "investigate", got a blood sample but NEVER tested it, and Mr. Bojangles accidentally left his sunglasses in the toilet and the cops just left it there like it was a turd. 

 

Barney and Gomer later said that Mr. Bojangles "was not a lead worth pursuing".

 

Hmm...how is a man covered in blood  2 hours after a triple homicide and only 1 mile away from the crime scene a lead not worth pursuing?

[Adolf Hitler]

One other thing.....like with the Ramsey case, the WM3 case needed the FBI on the scene immediately to do a 'reverse timeline'. You're not going to find the killer stomping around that house or walking through those woods a hundred times. The clues necessary to solving it are contained in what went on in the days leading up to the murders.