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[TAP]

Abortion porn: The right works itself into a near-orgasmic frenzy about unborn children, but as soon as they are born - nothing....except a little guilt, and a few less kleenex.

In my personal experience, only the religious right opposes abortion. I myself fully support it for the damage unwanted children cause on society.

I totally believe you, but in terms of the right who have legislative/budget powers it seems as though the vast majority (perhaps all?) of GOP congressmen/women are anti-abortion, and consider it a major issue whether for ideological or reelection reasons. Witness the totally absurd 'forcible rape' redefinition in an attempt to get around federal exemption bans on funding for abortion in the case of rape/incest within a month of the new congress.

[Zimbochick]

In my personal experience, only the religious right opposes abortion. I myself fully support it for the damage unwanted children cause on society. Freakanomics quite nicely explains why crime dropped off all of a sudden in the early 90s. A bunch of unwanted children were never born in the early 70s due to the decsion of Roe v. Wade. Less unwanted children led to less children running the streets and turning to a life of crime.

I think you meant the damage society causes to unwanted [sic] children.

[Evenstar51]

In my personal experience, only the religious right opposes abortion. I myself fully support it for the damage unwanted children cause on society. Freakanomics quite nicely explains why crime dropped off all of a sudden in the early 90s. A bunch of unwanted children were never born in the early 70s due to the decsion of Roe v. Wade. Less unwanted children led to less children running the streets and turning to a life of crime.

I think you meant the damage society causes to unwanted [sic] children.

I believe you're correct, Ms. Zimbo. The Missouri State Legislature is debating a bill that would drop the Child Labor Law to 14. What jobs will they get? I know that it's common for the kids of ranchers and farmers to be allowed to miss school and work at certain times, but this bill allows them to work during school hours. We aren't talking about baby-sitting and paper routes, but salaried jobs. It seems that, aside from creating an even less well-educated general population, it would knock people trying to support families out of work. Is the GOP aiming for a nation of worker bees? Any thoughts?

[Evenstar51]

Just to stay on topic, what's with Palin's obsession with the FLOTUS? The woman is mad as a hatter...she's got a beef with breast feeding?

http://www.politico....0211/49758.html

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In my personal experience, only the religious right opposes abortion. I myself fully support it for the damage unwanted children cause on society. Freakanomics quite nicely explains why crime dropped off all of a sudden in the early 90s. A bunch of unwanted children were never born in the early 70s due to the decsion of Roe v. Wade. Less unwanted children led to less children running the streets and turning to a life of crime.

I think you meant the damage society causes to unwanted [sic] children.

No, cause I don't buy in to that line of thought. Society doesn't damage anyone. Piss poor parenting, namely from single mother homes, stuck in poverty is the most common background from any violent offender. Soceity didn't make them that way. Their mother choosing to carry a child to term in an enviornment she was unable to properly provide for and more than likely was too emotionally immature to handle is what is to blame. Abortion stops this from happening.

Don't tell me you're one of those people who actually buys in to the whole "It's a woman's body" garbage. That line of reasoning goes out the door in almost every other example. If I try to kill myself and fail, no one says it's his body. They lock me up in the mental ward until someone says I won't harm myself. If I drink myself into a near comma and pass out on a sidewalk, I get arrested for public intoxication. No one says it's my body, I can posion my liver and destroy brain cells all I want. If you really want to take a justified stance on abortion, a fetus is either a life when it's conceived or when it's able to display cognitive abilities. Anything else is just some arbitray bullshit Rather than try to hide behind a mask of liberty for woman's bodies or trying to cling to some illogical notion of when a baby is a life, I just come out and say I don't care. I'd rather they be removed before they become a burden on the tax payer and end up harming others because they came from a piss poor home. One of us is being honest and the other is just pretending,

[wedjat]

In my personal experience, only the religious right opposes abortion. I myself fully support it for the damage unwanted children cause on society. Freakanomics quite nicely explains why crime dropped off all of a sudden in the early 90s. A bunch of unwanted children were never born in the early 70s due to the decsion of Roe v. Wade. Less unwanted children led to less children running the streets and turning to a life of crime.

I think you meant the damage society causes to unwanted [sic] children.

No, cause I don't buy in to that line of thought. Society doesn't damage anyone. Piss poor parenting, namely from single mother homes, stuck in poverty is the most common background from any violent offender. Soceity didn't make them that way. Their mother choosing to carry a child to term in an enviornment she was unable to properly provide for and more than likely was too emotionally immature to handle is what is to blame. Abortion stops this from happening.

Don't tell me you're one of those people who actually buys in to the whole "It's a woman's body" garbage. That line of reasoning goes out the door in almost every other example. If I try to kill myself and fail, no one says it's his body. They lock me up in the mental ward until someone says I won't harm myself. If I drink myself into a near comma and pass out on a sidewalk, I get arrested for public intoxication. No one says it's my body, I can posion my liver and destroy brain cells all I want. If you really want to take a justified stance on abortion, a fetus is either a life when it's conceived or when it's abole to display cognitive abilities. Anything else is just some arbitray bullshit Rather than try to hide behind a mask of liberty for woman's bodies or trying to cling to some illogical notion of when a baby is a life, I just come out and say I don't care. I'd rather they be removed before they become a burden on the tax payer and end up harming others because they came from a piss poor home. One of us is being honest and the other is just pretending,

Well, I think you should rethink the whole "piss poor" stance. Aren't most serial killers well educated & well brought up men? I mean, you can have violent offenders from well off homes, domestic abuse comes to mind, or from piss poor families. Doesn't matter.

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I don't know the answer to where serial killers come from. But it's a moot point since serial killers are an extremely, extremely small portion of the violent criminal offenders. How many serial killers can you name in the past 30 years? Probably less than 10. Compare that to the number of criminals who come from poor, single parent homes. Now we're talking millions.

[wedjat]

I don't know the answer to where serial killers come from. But it's a moot point since serial killers are an extremely, extremely small portion of the violent criminal offenders. How many serial killers can you name in the past 30 years? Probably less than 10. Compare that to the number of criminals who come from poor, single parent homes. Now we're talking millions.

I suppose. But I guess I'd take a burgler over a serial killer anyday.

[Evenstar51]

In my personal experience, only the religious right opposes abortion. I myself fully support it for the damage unwanted children cause on society. Freakanomics quite nicely explains why crime dropped off all of a sudden in the early 90s. A bunch of unwanted children were never born in the early 70s due to the decsion of Roe v. Wade. Less unwanted children led to less children running the streets and turning to a life of crime.

I think you meant the damage society causes to unwanted [sic] children.

No, cause I don't buy in to that line of thought. Society doesn't damage anyone. Piss poor parenting, namely from single mother homes, stuck in poverty is the most common background from any violent offender. Soceity didn't make them that way. Their mother choosing to carry a child to term in an enviornment she was unable to properly provide for and more than likely was too emotionally immature to handle is what is to blame. Abortion stops this from happening.

Don't tell me you're one of those people who actually buys in to the whole "It's a woman's body" garbage. That line of reasoning goes out the door in almost every other example. If I try to kill myself and fail, no one says it's his body. They lock me up in the mental ward until someone says I won't harm myself. If I drink myself into a near comma and pass out on a sidewalk, I get arrested for public intoxication. No one says it's my body, I can posion my liver and destroy brain cells all I want. If you really want to take a justified stance on abortion, a fetus is either a life when it's conceived or when it's abole to display cognitive abilities. Anything else is just some arbitray bullshit Rather than try to hide behind a mask of liberty for woman's bodies or trying to cling to some illogical notion of when a baby is a life, I just come out and say I don't care. I'd rather they be removed before they become a burden on the tax payer and end up harming others because they came from a piss poor home. One of us is being honest and the other is just pretending,

Horseshit! Children are damaged daily by bullying, sexual predators, even family members...society certainly can and does damage children. Having spent many years as a single mother, I take exception to your broad generalizations about single mothers. Not one of those women got pregnant alone, and too few men have the generosity of spirit to lovingly raise their own children. My child was Student Body President, then earned a double degree from one of America's best liberal arts colleges. He even has a job...and not delivering pizza. As for abortion, it's not a new concept...there was a small island in the Mediterranean that was famous for only one export...an herb that induced miscarriages. Roe v Wade is important because it guarantees that middle and lower class women have safe abortions...the rich have always sent their daughters overseas for such a procedure, and reversal of Roe v Wade would only return us to that state of affairs. Before the religious right discovered it brought them business, doctors routinely performed abortions, often when medically necessary, and called it a D & C...dilation and curettage. And I've no doubt that every woman on this forum would tell you that their bodies are their own and their choices are their own, and thankfully not subject to the ideas or beliefs of others. One of us is being honest and the other is using prejudices and personal beliefs to try to back up faulty logic.

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One of us is being honest and the other is using prejudices and personal beliefs to try to back up faulty logic.

I couldn't agree more

[Evenstar51]

No doubt, but that doesn't mean that you're correct...as Simon and Garfunkel sang, "...a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest." If you're unable to see that you've painted all single mothers with one broad stroke, knowing full well that there have always been mothers who successfully raised their children alone, whether through divorce, death or lack of connection with the child's father, then you're simply unable to concede that you're not omniscient.

[Zimbochick]

Rush Limbaugh is a big fat douchenozzle!

Rush Limaugh Takes Aim At Michelle Obama's Waistline

Washington (CNN) - Michelle Obama is taking heat from talk-radio host Rush Limbaugh after a report in the Vail Daily that she consumed a not-so-healthy-meal of ribs for dinner while on a recent visit to the Colorado resort, the latest example of conservative angst directed at the first lady's healthy-eating initiative.

"The problem is, and dare I say this, it doesn't look like Michelle Obama follows her own nutritionary, dietary advice," Limbaugh said Monday on his radio program. "And then we hear that she's out eating ribs at 1,500 calories a serving with 141 grams of fat per serving."

"She is a hypocrite," Limbaugh continued. "Leaders are supposed to be leaders. If we are supposed to go out and eat nothing, if we are supposed to eat roots, berries, and tree bark, show us how."

The Vail Daily reported Sunday Mrs. Obama dined at the restaurant Kelly Liken in Vail Village, ordering "a pickled pumpkin salad with arugula and a braised ancho-chile short rib with hominy wild mushrooms and sautéed kale." The first family, minus the president, went to Colorado for a long weekend of skiing.

"I'm trying to say that our first lady does not project the image of women that you might see on the cover of the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue or of a woman Alex Rodriguez might date every six months or what have you," Limbaugh also said Monday.

Limbaugh's comments cap off a week of jabs directed at the first lady over her campaign to fight childhood obesity, taking flak from Rep. Michele Bachmann and Sarah Palin, among others, for encouraging mothers to breast feed their children as a way to keep obesity levels down.

Mrs. Obama was also the subject of a contraversial cartoon last week on conservative journalist Andrew Breitbart's website, in which an over-weight of the first lady is shown telling her husband, "Shut up and pass the bacon!"

A website devoted to Mrs. Obama's anti-obesity effort lays out how the waistlines of American children have been growing at alarming rates over the last 30 years.

"The physical and emotional health of an entire generation and the economic health and security of our nation is at stake," Mrs. Obama is quoted as saying on the site.

http://politicaltick...amas-waistline/

[wedjat]

Yeah, you know what I hear? Blah blah blah blah blah blah. It's funny isn't it how everyone is a critic. Give these people 2 years to do that job & see where they get. Nowhere. And they'll be crying the whole time "WHYYYYYYY???? Why are people criticizing me for every little thing?" It's easy to point fingers & insult people from behind the keyboard, microphone, etc. because you don't have to take ownership of your words, right?

[LISA]

I don't know the answer to where serial killers come from. But it's a moot point since serial killers are an extremely, extremely small portion of the violent criminal offenders. How many serial killers can you name in the past 30 years? Probably less than 10. Compare that to the number of criminals who come from poor, single parent homes. Now we're talking millions.

funny..I actually agree with you in part..