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Posted 11 November 2011 - 11:03 PM

Thing is Paterno notified his supervisor of the complaint...

Seems its then up to that person to follow through.

Joe didn't eye witness it, so I'm not sure u can call 911 and say U "Heard" something happened.

At that point, its someone's word against one of your friends u have full trust and belief in.

If someone came to me right now and said my best friend was doing that... I prob wouldn't believe it for a second.

I'm just saying, the way the media have come down on Joe Pa.. U would think he was the one doing the molesting...

If he in fact covered it up and allowed others to be Victimized... HE WOULD BE GOING TO JAIL

The fact he isnt even charged, makes me believe he followed the proper procedure/channels.

He is the most famous, so people are trying their best to demonize someone with a distinguished career.

If I hear otherwise, I'll change my tune... but until i get 100% facts about what Joe Pa absolutely knew... I'm not attacking him.



Riddle me this Clouseau - supposing for one second you are correct. What happened after everyone followed correct procedure? In particular, what happened to the 28 year old who 'allegedly' saw the incident and reported it. He carried on being a junior coach, and everyone carried one as though he'd mistakenly seen and reported a senior coach raping a 10 year old and that was that. You seriously believe he would have kept his job for several years after that mistake?


I know the Sandusky guy did that in 98, was fired in 99........

So yeah, i think the higher ups protected the school and quietly dismissed the guy which is indefensible no doubt.

My defense is for Joe Paterno. I wanna know what he knew, how much he knew and if he really did nothing at all to stop it.. Then yes, he deserves to be fired and all that no doubt. I just wonder if he did, why he hasn't been charged like the others?
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Posted 11 November 2011 - 11:10 PM

the dude wasn't fired he step down to work on that charity he was doing and where he was meeting these kids. He still had an office and parking place out the school.

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Posted 11 November 2011 - 11:36 PM

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 12:58 AM

I heard on the radio today that the governor of the state had said to the demonstrating students upset over Joe's firing that there will be a day they will look back on their protesting and be deeply ashamed of themselves. He said this scandal has been under investigation for a very long time and far reaching. No shit! There were way too many people who knew all this stuff was going on with Sandusky. The cult of footfall was protecting the cash cow and they all collectively looked the other way. That school, which is a state college I believe, is going to get their asses suited into the next century. And the firing of Joe and the president of the college (or whatever his title was) is just them trying to limit their legal liability.

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 06:27 AM

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 10:14 AM

The Sandusky guy should get the fucking death penalty. It shouldn't be reserved for murderers.
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Posted 12 November 2011 - 11:01 AM

The Sandusky guy should get the fucking death penalty. It shouldn't be reserved for murderers.


It doesn't do much good to have a death penalty law for pedophiles if the people around them look the other way thus enabling them to continue to molest children---in fact, it could make these kinds of cover-ups all the worse. First the Boy Scouts did a massive cover-up, then the Catholic Church and now the Cult of Football. At least pedophiles can use the excuse of mental illness and/or developmental anomalies to explain their actions but what excuse can so-called normal people use to excuse their inaction, their looking the other way for years on end when they know what is going on? I judge them far more harshly than I do the pedophiles---and I say this as a person who was sexually penetrated before I went to kindergarten. The Joe Paterno's of the world, who look the other way, make a moral and conscience choice to put their friendships and/or cash cows above the physical and mental safety of children. The pedophile, most would agree, is sick---and probably sick beyond repair.

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 11:43 AM

WM, I'm so sorry you had to experience something like that. It's absolutely amazing to me how many people have had to endure sexual abuse as children, and you are completely correct, there is for some inexplicable reason a code of silence about it. It really boggles my mind. One of my loved ones was in a very similar situation to the victims of this monster, and the monster was always treated with respect, whereas the victims were derided and treated as if they were somehow complicit. It is abhorrent, and I think predators are not dealt with nearly harshly enough.

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 12:12 PM

I consider myself one of the lucky ones because my predator was caught in the act and ended up serving time in prison for it. His other victims---several I still keep in contact with today---weren't so lucky and experienced more then one molestation. The guy's family knew full well what he was and they kept moving him around to new neighborhoods whenever he was caught, not reporting his crimes to the police. I don't think anyone wants to believe THEIR father/friend/priest/teacher/coach, etc. can possibility be like that so they have a way of blocking it out and blaming the victims. That's got to stop!

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 04:08 PM

^^Wow, just wow! I'm so sorry that happened to you.

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 04:56 PM

WM, I'm so sorry you had to experience something like that. It's absolutely amazing to me how many people have had to endure sexual abuse as children, and you are completely correct, there is for some inexplicable reason a code of silence about it. It really boggles my mind. One of my loved ones was in a very similar situation to the victims of this monster, and the monster was always treated with respect, whereas the victims were derided and treated as if they were somehow complicit. It is abhorrent, and I think predators are not dealt with nearly harshly enough.



I agree with WM - while emotionally you want the harshest penalty, I don't think that solves the problem and likely makes it worse. If the punishment was the death penalty, Sandusky probably would have hidden it better, maybe kids would have died - who knows. But I don't think punishment is a deterrent for this kind of crime - it's already severe, plus the social stigma and pedophiles aren't exactly popular prisoners either. And unfortunately I think the code of silence is easily explained, it's very easy for an outsider to make the right decision, but outsiders are probably rarely involved - insiders have to weigh the fallout for everyone including themselves against the suffering of the victim, and likely the offender makes sure their environment and the people around the chosen victims will fall on the silence side. The main issue is not the severity of the punishment, it's catching the offender.
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Posted 12 November 2011 - 05:18 PM

I totally agree with everything you are saying, Tap.

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Posted 17 December 2011 - 10:37 AM

Paterno ‘knew inappropriate action was taken by Jerry Sandusky with a youngster’ in 2002
By Matt Hinton

280http://l.yimg.com/a/p/sp/editorial_image/b5/b5c695c3338e4853d5aa0101e97846a0/buffettjpg.jpg[/img]What did Joe Paterno know, and when did he know it?

Today, we have some answers to the crucial question from the coach's mouth after Paterno's testimony from earlier this year — in which the now-former Penn State icon told a grand jury that he had been informed about an incident of "a sexual nature" between ex-defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky and a young boy in 2002 — was read for the first time in open court Friday.

In the testimony, Paterno said he "knew inappropriate action was taken by Jerry Sandusky with a youngster" after a meeting with then-graduate assistant Mike McQueary, who allegedly saw Sandusky sexually abusing a boy in a locker room shower the previous night, but did not inform police and waited at least a day to inform his boss, athletic director Tim Curley, because he "didn't want to interfere with their weekends."

Sandusky, who played and coached under Paterno for more than 30 years prior to his retirement in 1999, remained a regular on Penn State's campus until his arrest on a multitude of sexual abuse charges last month.

Paterno's testimony was read as part of a preliminary hearing for Curley and another Penn State administrator, Gary Schultz, who are both charged with perjury and failure to report for their alleged inaction regarding Sandusky after meeting with McQueary in 2002. (Paterno wasn't present at the hearing, which came less than a week after the soon-to-be 85-year-old was reportedly hospitalized with a fractured pelvis after falling in his home. He's also been undergoing treatment for lung cancer.) A judge ruled at the end of the proceedings that the state has enough evidence to send the case against Curley and Shultz to trial.

McQueary — a State College native and former starting quarterback who remained on Paterno's staff until Paterno was fired as a result of the scandal last month — took the stand Friday morning, testifying that he personally saw Sandusky with his arms wrapped around a boy's waist in a shower, and believed (although he was not 100 percent certain) that the boy was being sodomized. He immediately called his father, and they decided he should go to Paterno the next day. In that meeting and the subsequent meeting with Curley and Schultz, McQueary said he was clear that he was describing an "extremely sexual" act (emphasis added):
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He said he did not give Paterno explicit details of what he believed he'd seen, saying he wouldn't have used terms like sodomy or anal intercourse out of respect for the longtime coach.

He said Paterno told him he'd "done the right thing" by reporting what he saw. The head coach appeared shocked and saddened and slumped back in his chair, McQueary said. Paterno told McQueary he would talk to others about what he'd reported.

Nine or 10 days later, McQueary said he met with Curley and Shultz and told them he'd seen Sandusky and a boy, both naked, in the shower after hearing skin on skin slapping sounds.

"I told them that I saw Jerry in the showers with a young boy and that what I had seen was extremely sexual and over the lines and it was wrong," McQueary said. "I would have described that it was extremely sexual and I thought that some kind of intercourse was going on."
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That testimony is substantially the same as the one McQueary reportedly gave to the grand jury earlier this year. Friday, McQueary said he thought Curley and Schultz took his report seriously, and that he considered Schultz law enforcement because his position as vice president included oversight of campus police. "I thought I was talking to the head of the police, to be frank with you," McQueary said. "In my mind it was like speaking to a (district attorney). It was someone who police reported to and would know what to do with it."

What they did with it, according to the Pennsylvania attorney general, is essentially nothing: In its summary of the initial charges against Sandusky on Nov. 5, the AG's office wrote that "there is no indication that anyone from the university ever attempted to learn the identity of the child who was sexually assaulted on their campus or made any follow-up effort to obtain more information," and "there was no effective change in Sandusky's status with the school and no limits on his access to the campus."

In his testimony Friday afternoon, Curley disputed that conclusion, arguing that McQueary "did not indicate there was something of a sexual nature" between Sandusky and the boy during their meeting, and that he understood the incident as "horsing around." At the time, he responded by telling Sandusky he was banned from coming into the building with children from his charity, The Second Mile, but otherwise did not restrict access. University president Graham Spanier signed off on the ban, according to the attorney general, "without any further inquiry."

280http://l.yimg.com/a/p/sp/editorial_image/6c/6cabd8e963375afe49dbde0af2091e19/buffettjpg.jpg[/img]Curley didn't report the incident to the police, he testified Friday, because "I didn't think it was a crime at the time." In Curley's defense, attorney Caroline Roberto argued that McQueary failed to convey the seriousness of what he'd seen to Paterno, that the allegations subsequently came across as "not that serious" to Curley, and that it seemed to amount to a case of "he said, she said."

Schultz did not testify Friday, but in a grand jury testimony read at the hearing, he said he was under the impression (from his meeting with McQueary) that Sandusky and the boy were wrestling and Sandusky grabbed the boy's genitals in a "horsing around" type of way. This was consistent with Sandusky's general demeanor, Schultz said, because "he would grab you on the arm, hit you on the back, grab you and put you in a headlock."

Sandusky had been implicated as a possible sex offender as early as 1998, when university police were involved in an investigation following "allegations of sexually inappropriate behavior involving Sandusky and young boys in the football showers." At least two detectives in that case reportedly heard Sandusky admit to showering with a boy on two different occasions, once to the boy's mother and once in an interview with the state's child welfare agency, but the case was closed after the county district attorney (now deceased) declined to prosecute. Schultz told the grand jury he was aware of the investigation that Penn State police had produced a 95-page report.

Sandusky retired from Paterno's staff a year later at the age of 55, but maintained an office in the Lasch Football Building and had "unlimited access to all football facilities," including the locker room. He also kept a parking pass, a university Internet account and a listing in the faculty directory.

In 2008, according to USA Today, Sandusky ended his involvement with the charitable program, The Second Mile, amid accusations by another adolescent male. As recently as 2009, he was still running an overnight football camp for children as young as 9 on Penn State's campus. He was still working out on campus as recently as October — after university officials had been called to testify in the investigation that ultimately led to Sandusky's arrest. Sandusky told the New York Times earlier this month that he still has his keys.

At that point, Sandusky faced more than 25 felony counts of deviate sexual intercourse, aggravated indecent assault, unlawful contact with a minor, endangering the welfare of a child and indecent assault against at least eight victims over more than a decade. He was subsequently re-arrested last week on 12 additional counts involving two additional victims.

Paterno, Curley, Schultz and Spanier have all "resigned" or been fired from their jobs in the wake of the charges. McQueary has been put on administrative leave and reportedly told players on a conference call last month, "I wanted to let you guys know I'm not your coach anymore. I'm done." Legally, prosecutors have determined that McQueary, Paterno and Spanier fulfilled their obligations under state law and are not expected to face charges. The Penn State Board of Trustees has appointed a special committee to investigate the university's response, as has the U.S. Department of Education and the NCAA.
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