Black Lives Matter, Fomerly Trayvon Martin
#2
Posted 25 March 2012 - 10:21 PM
Seems like some Hispanic guy who fancied himself a jr. policeman because of neighborhood crime got in a situation that ended horribly.
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#3
Posted 25 March 2012 - 10:36 PM
#4
Posted 26 March 2012 - 08:49 AM
#5
Posted 26 March 2012 - 09:08 AM
Without any eye witnesses we may never know how it played out.
What is known from the reporting I have seen is that the neighborhood watch guy thought the teen was up to no good and called police. The police told him not to follow the teen. He did not do so and some type of altercation ensued. The guy ends up shooting the teen. Seems like NW guy was the instigator of the situation.
Have any of you read enough to know if the teen lived in the neighborhood or was he passing through to get to the convenience store? Some reports suggest it is a gated community.
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#6
Posted 26 March 2012 - 09:32 AM
This whole thing is a damn shame and the loss of child is never positive. But it angers me greatly to see how these people come from the woodwork to use this tragedy to push their agenda. Stand your ground is a good, solid law. No one should ever have to run away from their aggressor. And something as simple as castle doctrine isn't universal in all states and some have just recently applied it during the past couple of years. If the shooter is guilty, try him and convitct him. But don't turn this into a media circus about hate crimes or how guns are a bad thing. Cause you're really showing you don't give a damn about the dead 17 year old, you just found an audience willing to your bullshit.
#7
Posted 26 March 2012 - 10:53 AM
#8
Posted 26 March 2012 - 11:29 AM
What people don't know is what happened when the altercation occured. The video I saw this morning from the alleged Shooter's friend seemed to suggest that Martin may in fact have been the aggressor or even pulled the trigger himself in a struggle. I don't know what happened, but when Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton show up, you know the original meaning has been completely lost.
This whole thing is a damn shame and the loss of child is never positive. But it angers me greatly to see how these people come from the woodwork to use this tragedy to push their agenda. Stand your ground is a good, solid law. No one should ever have to run away from their aggressor. And something as simple as castle doctrine isn't universal in all states and some have just recently applied it during the past couple of years. If the shooter is guilty, try him and convitct him. But don't turn this into a media circus about hate crimes or how guns are a bad thing. Cause you're really showing you don't give a damn about the dead 17 year old, you just found an audience willing to your bullshit.
So if Florida has a stand your ground law and one of these individuals has a gun and the other doesn't, doesn't that mean that Martin had the right to stand HIS ground when an armed man started following him?
I don't see this as a hate crime, but it seems reasonable that this is a situation based on prejudice and stereotype. I say that as a person who is somewhat pro-gun and anti-hate crime laws. My only agenda is in recognizing the fact that justice has often poorly served our minority communities. It's possible that this was just, but I haven't heard a thing to suggest that the kid was instigator or aggressor.
#10
Posted 26 March 2012 - 04:31 PM
I want to hear more eye witness accounts of what actually transpired rather than a bunch of talking heads portraying Martin as an innocent child who was essentially shot in the back for WWB as Zimbo seems to believe above. I don't know what happened, but I have a feeling Zimmerman acted within the confines of the law as his side of the story is starting to come out. I love how the media is trying to portray Zimmerman as half-white. Looking at his picture, I would identify him as some sort of hispanic ethnicity. Are they going to start calling Obama half-white too? Or is it just convienient in this case to toss the flames of racism onto the fire.
#12
Posted 26 March 2012 - 05:23 PM
#13
Posted 26 March 2012 - 05:32 PM
I'm having trouble reconciling this with what Flagg said. In #1, it would seem that Zimmerman is aware of Martin but not being attacked. So he what? Follows him, from all reports.
So...an hour after sunset, in a strange place, being followed by a strange person who is armed. If Martin DID attack first, I wouldn't be surprised...who wouldn't be wary in such a situation?
#15
Posted 26 March 2012 - 05:42 PM
I'm having trouble reconciling this with what Flagg said. In #1, it would seem that Zimmerman is aware of Martin but not being attacked. So he what? Follows him, from all reports.
So...an hour after sunset, in a strange place, being followed by a strange person who is armed. If Martin DID attack first, I wouldn't be surprised...who wouldn't be wary in such a situation?
That's why I want to hear a thorough report of what actually did happen. We're just now getting the other side of the story, and objective people should be skeptical of both sides. My primary concern is the original rage directed at the stand your ground law. I want to know if the law was applied appropriately before we appease the cries of the uninformed masses. Before you can determine if the law applies, you have to have all the facts. If Zimmerman killed an innocent person, he needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. But if as one report claims, Martin approached Zimmerman as he was entering his car and started the altercation, that changes the whole dynamics.
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