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[Mr. Roboto]

 

 

 

 

I also love his romanticizing of the Reagan era. 

 

 

The GOP and their mythical Reagan....

[freedom78]

The GOP and their mythical Reagan....

 

You can't blame them.  From Teddy Roosevelt to Franklin Roosevelt, you were either a progressive or a failure, for the most part, and ideological conservatism was banished to the wilderness.  When Republicans start doing well again, it wasn't because they were conservative.  Eisenhower was barely a Republican...he could've picked Democrat and won just as easily.  Goldwater was conservative, but couldn't win.  Nixon largely eschewed ideological labels, which is no surprise in an era dominated by foreign policy and Ford was stuck dealing with Nixon's (bad) legacy.  It wasn't until Reagan that conservatism becomes attractive again and, despite that much of his mythology is bullshit, he defines the conservative movement of the last three decades.  There is no other conservative who combines prominence and widespread popularity as well as he did.  Think about it...if a modern conservative can't point to Reagan as an example, who can he point to?  Who was the last, conservative successful President, other than Reagan?  It was pre-WWII, which is hardly relevant to politics today.  Besides, they've already got their historical icon in Lincoln.  Honestly, the next biggest conservative of modern politics might be Bob Dole...no surprise they look to Reagan, is it?

[freedom78]

WWIII here we come!  Hey, if the Superpowers fight in the Middle East, does that lead to the return of Jesus and, if so, am I obligated to vote for Huckabee?

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Turkey Shoots Down Russian Warplane Near Border With Syria

by Aziz Akyavas , F. Brinley Bruton , Alexey Eremenko and Ben Plesser

 

ISTANBUL — Turkish fighter jets shot down a Russian warplane near the Syrian border after it violated Turkish airspace on Tuesday, officials said.

 

The Russian aircraft was warned 10 times in five minutes before being shot down, according to the Turkish air force. It was the first time a NATO member's military has downed a Russian or Soviet military aircraft since the 1950s, according to Reuters.

 

NATO said it would hold an extraordinary meeting later Tuesday to discuss the incident at the request of Turkish officials.

 

Syrian fighters on the ground and Turkish sources told NBC News that the Russian jet's pilots ejected and landed in north of Latakia, Syria. That area is controlled by rebels fighting to topple President Bashar Assad. Russia has an air base in Latakia which is used to launch bombing raids targeting Assad's foes — including ISIS.

 

Footage from Turkish Haberturk TV showed a warplane going down in flames in a wooded area with a long plume of smoke trailing behind it. Russian and Syrian regime helicopters were later seen searching the area where the jet went down, a rebel commander who goes by the name Abu Faiz told NBC News.

 

The Kremlin's Defense Ministry confirmed that a Su-24 had been downed, but said it had been shot down by ground fire in Syria.

 

"During all the flight time, the aircraft was flying only within the borders of the Syrian territory," according to a statement on its website.

 

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov called the incident "very serious" but added that Russian officials were still trying to find out exactly what had happened, state-run news agency RIA Novosti reported.

"It would be wrong to make any assessments and assumptions now, make any statements until we have the full picture," Peskov was quoted as saying. "So we just need patience."

The head of the Turkish military briefed President Tayyip Erdogan on the incident, while Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu ordered consultations with NATO, the United Nations and related countries, Reuters reported citing their respective offices.

 

According to Russia's Defense Ministry, there are 69 warplanes based in Latakia. Russian planes have run thousands of bombing raids in Syria since Sept. 30 when the Kremlin announced it would start targeting ISIS.

 

However, U.S. officials say many of the strikes appear to be hitting areas where ISIS doesn't have a presence.

 

Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered his air force to step-up bombings after a passenger plane crashed in Egypt's Sinai on Oct. 31, killing all 224 on board. On Thursday, ISIS claimed it brought down the Metrojet plane with an improvised bomb.

 

http://www.nbcnews.c...r-syria-n468671

[PERM BANNED]

This has bad written all over it. If Putin does "nothing", Russia appears weak. If Russia retaliates militarily against Turkey, I don't see the West doing anything, showing NATO to be a farce.

Could be a great test for Putin. He retaliates, NATO bitches. With the knowledge the west is content bitching on Facebook, Putin rolls into Ukraine and starts taking back lands lost after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Obama won't do anything besides pass more sanctions. And without the US, the rest of Europe will remain silent. I'm not advocating for action, but if ever there was a time to attack against a weak president, now's the time. Obama's "line in the sand" comment has removed any credible military threat while he is in office.

[Mr. Roboto]

Yippie. 

[Adolf Hitler]

This has bad written all over it. If Putin does "nothing", Russia appears weak. If Russia retaliates militarily against Turkey, I don't see the West doing anything, showing NATO to be a farce.

Could be a great test for Putin. He retaliates, NATO bitches. With the knowledge the west is content bitching on Facebook, Putin rolls into Ukraine and starts taking back lands lost after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Obama won't do anything besides pass more sanctions. And without the US, the rest of Europe will remain silent. I'm not advocating for action, but if ever there was a time to attack against a weak president, now's the time. Obama's "line in the sand" comment has removed any credible military threat while he is in office.

I've wanted NATO to be dissolved for years. It was only a matter of time before some incident occurred proving its a paper tiger that looks great on paper. A few years back there was an incident between Turkey and Israel that I thought was going to be the straw that broke NATO's back. Didn't happen of course but things are much different when you bring NATO's adversary into the mix.

 

I always thought NATO's war games were comical. No chance in hell all those countries agree on anything in a crisis. When Libya bombed night clubs in Europe and Reagan ordered airstrikes, they wouldn't even allow the US to use their airspace. Our bombers had to fly AROUND Europe.

 

Some alliance..

[artcinco]

At the very least if we dissolved NATO then Europe would have to actually pay for their defense forces and lower the amount spent on their socialist utopias. ;-) 

[freedom78]

At the very least if we dissolved NATO then Europe would have to actually pay for their defense forces and lower the amount spent on their socialist utopias. ;-) 

 

Thus lowering our defense burden and ushering in our own socialist utopia!  See, I knew Louisiana had to be good for something other than a market for beads n tits.

[Mr. Roboto]

Show us your bread!!!

[artcinco]

#iThing #word

[artcinco]

This man has a plan.

http://www.breitbart...adist-refugees/


#iThing #word

[Mr. Roboto]

Norway Offers Migrants a Lesson in How to Treat Women

 

SANDNES, Norway — When he first arrived in Europe, Abdu Osman Kelifa, a Muslim asylum seeker from the Horn of Africa, was shocked to see women in skimpy clothes drinking alcohol and kissing in public. Back home, he said, only prostitutes do that, and in locally made movies couples “only hug but never kiss.”

 

Confused, Mr. Kelifa volunteered to take part in a pioneering and, in some quarters, controversial program that seeks to prevent sexual and other violence by helping male immigrants from societies that are largely segregated or in which women show neither flesh nor public affection to adapt to more open European societies.

 

Fearful of stigmatizing migrants as potential rapists and playing into the hands of anti-immigrant politicians, most European countries have avoided addressing the question of whether men arriving from more conservative societies might get the wrong idea once they move to places where it can seem as if anything goes.

 

But, with more than a million asylum seekers arriving in Europe this year, an increasing number of politicians and also some migrant activists now favor offering coaching in European sexual norms and social codes.

 

Mr. Kelifa, 33, attended the education program at an asylum center in this town near the western Norwegian city of Stavanger. Like similar courses now underway in the village of Lunde and elsewhere in Norway, it was voluntary and was organized around weekly group discussions of rape and other violence.

 

The goal is that participants will “at least know the difference between right and wrong,” said Nina Machibya, the Sandnes center’s manager.

 

A course manual sets out a simple rule that all asylum seekers need to learn and follow: “To force someone into sex is not permitted in Norway, even when you are married to that person.”

 

It skirts the issue of religious differences, noting that while Norway has long been largely Christian, it is “not religion that sets the laws” and that, whatever a person’s faith, “the rules and laws nevertheless have to be followed.”

 

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In Denmark, lawmakers are pushing to have such sex education included in mandatory language classes for refugees. The German region of Bavaria, the main entry point to Germany for asylum seekers, is already experimenting with such classes at a shelter for teenage migrants in the town of Passau.

 

Norway, however, has been leading the way. Its immigration department mandated that such programs be offered nationwide in 2013, and hired a nonprofit foundation, Alternative to Violence, to train refugee center workers in how to organize and conduct classes on sexual and other forms of violence. The government provided funding for two years to pay for interpreters for the classes and is now reviewing the results and whether to extend its support.

 

“The biggest danger for everyone is silence,” said Per Isdal, a clinical psychologist in Stavanger who works with the foundation, which developed the program Mr. Kelifa attended in Sandes.

 

Many refugees “come from cultures that are not gender equal and where women are the property of men,” Mr. Isdal said. “We have to help them adapt to their new culture.”

 

The first such program to teach immigrants about local norms and how to avoid misreading social signals was initiated in Stavanger, the center of Norway’s oil industry and a magnet for migrants, after a series of rapes from 2009 to 2011.

 

Henry Ove Berg, who was Stavanger’s police chief during the spike in rape cases, said he supported providing migrants sex education because “people from some parts of the world have never seen a girl in a miniskirt, only in a burqa.” When they get to Norway, he added, “something happens in their heads.”

 

He said, “there was a link but not a very clear link” between the rape cases and the city’s immigrant community. According to the state broadcaster, NRK, which reviewed court documents, only three of 20 men found guilty in those cases were native Norwegians, the rest immigrants.

 

The claim that refugees and immigrants in general are prone to commit rape has become a main rallying cry of anti-migrant activists across Europe, with each case of sexual violence by a newcomer presented as evidence of an imported scourge.

 

Hege Storhaug, a former Norwegian journalist who runs Human Rights Service, an organization fiercely critical of Islam, has seized on the issue to rally public opposition to refugees, asserting on her group’s website that Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany had opened the way to an “epidemic of rape” with her welcoming approach to migrants.

 

Norway, like most European countries, does not break down crime statistics by ethnicity or religion. A 2011 report by Norway’s state statistical bureau noted that “immigrants are overrepresented in the crime statistics” but suggested that this was not due to cultural differences but because many of the immigrants were young men.

 

“It should not be surprising if groups with large proportions of young males have higher crime rates than groups with large proportions elderly women,” the report said.

 

Hanne Kristin Rohde, a former head of the violent crime section of the Oslo Police Department, said she ran into a wall of hostility when, in 2011 while still in the police force, she blamed sexual violence by foreign men on cultural factors and went public with data suggesting that immigrants committed a hugely disproportionate number of rapes.

 

“This was a big problem but it was difficult to talk about it,” Ms. Rohde said recently, asserting that there was “a clear statistical connection” between sexual violence and male migrants from countries where “women have no value of their own.” The taboo, she added, has since eased somewhat.

 

“There are lots of men who haven’t learned that women have value,” said Ms. Rohde, who wants mandatory sexual conduct classes for all new male migrants. “This is the biggest problem, and it is a cultural problem.”

 

But many question whether there is a clear link between migrants and crime. Last month, the German interior minister, Thomas de Maizière, said that asylum seekers were no more prone to crime, including sexual violence, than Germans.

 

“In general, the available recent trend findings show that refugees commit just as few or as many crimes as groups of the local population,” he said.

 

Mr. Kelifa, the African asylum seeker, said he still had a hard time accepting that a wife could accuse her husband of sexual assault. But he added that he had learned how to read previously baffling signals from women who wear short skirts, smile or simply walk alone at night without an escort.

 

“Men have weaknesses and when they see someone smiling it is difficult to control,” Mr. Kelifa said, explaining that in his own country, Eritrea, “if someone wants a lady he can just take her and he will not be punished,” at least not by the police.

 

Norway, he said, treats women differently. “They can do any job from prime minister to truck driver and have the right to relax” in bars or on the street without being bothered, he added.

 

Mr. Isdal, the Stavanger psychologist, said refugees, particularly those traumatized by war, represent a “risk group” that is not predestined to violent crime but that does need help to cope with a new and alien environment.

 

The program he helped design focuses on getting newly arrived refugees to open up about their attitudes toward sex, through discussions in small groups supervised by a monitor, usually a native Norwegian. A manual prepared for the course includes sections on “Norwegian laws and values,” as well as violence against children and women.

 

A class held on Wednesday in Lunde, a village southwest of Oslo, focused on differing perceptions of “honor” and how violence that might be seen as honorable in some cultures is shameful and also illegal in Norway.

 

A rival program, developed by a private company called Hero Norge, which runs asylum centers under a contract with the government, also promotes discussion as the best way to expose and break down views that can lead to trouble.

 

Hero Norge’s teaching material studiously avoids casting migrants in a bad light and instead presents a fictional character called Arne, a native Norwegian, as a model of predatory behavior. The main immigrant character, a 27-year-old called Hassan, is, by contrast, introduced as a “good man” who is “honest and well liked.”

 

In one episode, Arne, the Norwegian, tells Hassan he plans to ply a young woman with alcoholic drinks “to soften her up.” People taking the course are asked questions such as: “How should Hassan react?” “What do you think Arne means when he says he wants to ‘soften her up?’ ” “Is it O.K. to ‘soften someone up’ with alcohol?”

 

Berit Harr, a course monitor at a refugee center in Ha, a coastal village south of Stavanger, said it was important to avoid making migrants feel as if they were under suspicion while getting them to talk about their own views on relations between the sexes.

 

“It is difficult to talk about sex,” she said. But, she added, doing so can help refugees navigate potentially dangerous situations in a strange land.

 

“It is normal here for boys and girls to be friends,” she said. “Smiling and flirting are normal. It doesn’t mean anything. If a girl is drunk it does not mean she is willing to do anything.”

 

http://www.nytimes.c...7643A25&gwt=pay

[Arminius]

That's my money they are throwing down the toilet. Fuckers.

[Adolf Hitler]

So they have to offer courses to teach them right from wrong?

 

 

 

“there was a link but not a very clear link” between the rape cases and the city’s immigrant community. 

Way to take a stand on an issue.

 

 

 

But many question whether there is a clear link between migrants and crime.

Only people questioning that are politicians.

[artcinco]

TV reporter is sexually assaulted live on air as she reports on how migrant New Year rapes are overshadowing the Cologne carnival - which saw 22 sex attacks last night alone