Jump to content


Photo

Election 2024

politics election 2020 fuck that orange jackass

  • Please log in to reply
227 replies to this topic

#1 freedom78

freedom78

    Advanced Member

  • TFHL Peep
  • PipPipPip
  • 6,666 posts
  • LocationIndiana

Posted 23 January 2019 - 12:28 PM

So I thought i'd go ahead and start the 2020 presidential election thread, to give us a clean break from the misery of 2016.  No time like the present to tell us who you're for and which Trump you're against!

 

To get the ball rolling...

 

The Top Ten Democrats for 2020

 

Here, The Hill presents its initial rankings of the Democratic field.

1. Rep. Beto O’Rourke (D-Texas)

The old cliche holds that Republicans fall in line and Democrats fall in love when it comes to selecting presidential nominees. If that’s true, it is good news for O’Rourke, who excited Democrats nationwide even while failing in his bid to unseat Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) in the fall.  O’Rourke came within 3 points of defeating Cruz in the strongly Republican state. More to the point, he proved to be a magnetic presence on the campaign trail and a fundraising juggernaut. He raised an astonishing $38 million in the third quarter of 2018 alone.  A number of aides to former President Obama have also talked up O’Rourke, drawing comparisons between his appeal and that of the former president. Obama himself told his former aide David Axelrod that O’Rourke exhibited a similar sense of authenticity. 

“The reason I was able to make a connection with a sizable portion of the country was because people had a sense that I said what I meant,” Obama told Axelrod, adding of O’Rourke, “it felt as if he based his statements and his positions on what he believed.”  There are still plenty of skeptics. Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel, himself a former Obama chief of staff, complained in a late November MSNBC interview, “He lost. You don’t usually promote a loser.” Commentators supportive of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) have also sought to knock the gloss off O’Rourke in recent weeks, questioning the Texan’s progressive credentials.

But those attacks show just how much of a threat O’Rourke poses to the rest of the field. 

 

2. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.)

Sanders is a divisive figure in the Democratic Party — not least because he is not a member of it.  But the Vermont independent has won a hugely devoted following with the democratic socialist ideas that he had been pushing for decades before they became fashionable.  He also has the organizational advantages that come from his much stronger-than-expected 2016 showing against eventual nominee Hillary Clinton

Ironically, Sanders’s best chance for 2020 success could be to ape what President Trump did in the 2016 GOP primaries. There were plenty of Republicans implacably opposed to Trump, but their votes were split among a large field. That allowed Trump to roll up victory after victory with a plurality of the vote.  There are dangers for Sanders: Warren’s all-but-inevitable candidacy could split the progressive vote while O’Rourke could draw the young voters who flocked to Sanders in 2016. Sanders would also be 79 by Inauguration Day 2021.  But, make no mistake, Sanders is a real contender if he runs. 

 

3. Former Vice President Joe Biden

Biden leads almost all opinion polls at this stage — and how you rate his chances depends largely on how much you think that matters.  A CNN poll earlier this month showed him with 30 percent support, more than double the level of the second-place Sanders, who grabbed 14 percent. A Suffolk University/USA Today poll suggested Democrats were more excited about a run by Biden than anyone else.  The case for Biden is straightforward: He can connect with the Rust Belt voters who carried Trump to victory in 2016, he was a loyal vice president to Obama and he is generally well-liked within the party.  But the case for Biden-skepticism is just as easily made. His strong polling numbers are a consequence of name recognition more than anything else, the doubters say — and an establishment Democrat first elected to the Senate in 1972 is hardly what the party wants in the current, insurgent-friendly political moment.   Biden first ran for president in 1988 and did so again in 2008. Could he climb the mountain in one final effort?

 

4. Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.)

Harris, a first-term senator and former attorney general of California, is one of the most intriguing figures in the race.  She has made her national name in part through formidable, prosecutorial questioning of figures aligned with Trump, including then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions and Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh.  She is charismatic, a powerful orator and the strongest non-white candidate in the field — something that could be important given not just the importance of the black vote, but a more general acceptance among liberals that Democrats need to demonstrate their diversity.  Harris could also conceivably bridge the span of the party between progressives and centrists, drawing some support from both wings in a way that Sanders from the left, or Biden, toward the center, might struggle to do.  At the same time, parts of her record, including on criminal justice, give liberals a degree of heartburn. Still, she is clearly a top-tier candidate if, as is widely expected, she runs. 

 

5. Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.)

The video Warren released to mark the formation of her exploratory committee on Monday was slick and effective. It emphasized her role in pushing back against malfeasance on the part of financial institutions but also framed that as part of a bigger story, portraying her as a fighter for fairness. She also made specific reference to racial inequities.  Warren has been a progressive hero since her days pushing for the creation of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. She is a strong and fiery platform speaker. And it’s possible that she could outflank Sanders on the left.  But Democrats who are lukewarm about Warren question her political instincts, highlighting the curious recent episode where she claimed via DNA evidence that she had a Native American ancestor six to 10 generations ago. The intention was to defang Trump’s attack on her as “Pocahontas,” but the effort backfired, even drawing criticism from the Cherokee Nation.  More broadly, some Democrats worry that Trump’s visceral appeal to some white working-class voters will not be best countered by an erstwhile Harvard Law School professor from a deep-blue state.

 

6. Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio)

Brown won his Senate reelection race comfortably in November, in a state Trump carried by 8 points against Clinton in 2016.  This is the core of his appeal to Democrats as a potential 2020 candidate: He is someone who understands the industrial Midwest in his marrow, and he can carve out a path to victory in that electorally vital region.  Brown may not have the glitz of some other contenders, but his rumpled authenticity could play to his advantage, his boosters say. A heartland progressive, he has long enjoyed strong support from labor unions.  Two questions loom large: whether Brown really wants to run, and whether he can quickly get enough traction if he does so.

 

7. Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.)

On paper, Booker should be a formidable candidate: a young African-American senator with obvious oratorical gifts.  But Booker has been dogged by suggestions that he is more interested in publicity than action, dating all the way back to his days as mayor of Newark, N.J. He has also sometimes been friendlier with the financial industry than today’s Democratic grass-roots voters might like. He famously criticized Obama’s 2012 campaign for attacking GOP nominee Mitt Romney’s work for Bain Capital, though he swiftly backtracked.  Booker’s perceived love of the spotlight can attract eye-rolls from colleagues — a more recent example being his “Spartacus moment” during the Kavanaugh hearings.  He will get his fair share of media attention if he runs, but he may need other contenders to stumble in order to vault into serious contention.

 

8. Sen. Amy Klobuchar. (D-Minn.)

Klobuchar’s political abilities are often underrated — something she could prove one more time if she presses forward with a presidential run.  Klobuchar’s platform would, in essence, be based on an ability to connect with voters in the American heartland while committing no real sins of liberal heresy. Her legislative record involves work on issues that have appeal to Democrats and beyond them — lowering the costs of prescription drugs and protecting online privacy, for example.  Her public persona is affable and good-humored but one question is whether Democrats want a nominee to take the fight to Trump in a more aggressive way.

 

9. Former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg

Bloomberg, the media billionaire who served three terms as New York City’s mayor, has given strong indications that he is considering a run for the White House. “Do I think I could be a good president? Yes,” he told Chuck Todd on NBC’s “Meet The Press” in an interview that aired Sunday. He said he would make a decision by February.  Bloomberg’s path to the Democratic nomination is anything but clear, however. It would presumably involve winning over centrists and perhaps even disaffected Republicans with the promise of a candidacy that steers a middle ground and doesn’t pander to partisan or hard-left interests.

But that is likely to be a hard sell in a party where the energy is increasingly with progressives.  Bloomberg, who twice ran for mayor as a Republican before changing his party affiliation, seems an uneasy fit for the Democratic spirit of the times.

 

10. Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.)

Gillibrand has made women’s issues a key part of her appeal. As a senator representing New York, she is well-known in the nation’s largest media market and one of the epicenters of Democratic fundraising.  Gillibrand also got an opportunity to display her guts when Trump took aim at her with what was widely interpreted as a sexual innuendo a year ago. She doubled down on her call for him to resign afterward.  Still, as with Booker, there is a distrust of Gillibrand in some quarters, rooted in her perceived penchant for self-publicity. Her willingness to buck the party line, as when she suggested former President Clinton should have resigned over his affair with Monica Lewinsky, has created enemies as well as friends.  More generally, the answer to how Gillibrand overtakes several of the names higher on this list remains a difficult one to answer.

 

 

Other potential candidates outside the top 10: Former New Orleans Mayor Mitch Landrieu, former Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe, activist Tom Steyer, Rep. Joe Kennedy III. (D-Mass.), former San Antonio Mayor Julián Castro, South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg, Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti, Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper, Rep. Eric Swalwell (D-Calif.), Rep. John Delaney (D-Md.)

https://thehill.com/...ocrats-for-2020


Sister burn the temple
And stand beneath the moon
The sound of the ocean is dead
It's just the echo of the blood in your head

#2 TAP

TAP

    Advanced Member

  • TFHL Peep
  • PipPipPip
  • 2,777 posts
  • LocationHades

Posted 23 January 2019 - 04:13 PM

I like Klobuchar, but think it's unlikely she'll get anywhere near nomination. Please not Biden or Sanders or Beto (though obviously I'd vote for them in general)


Show me your dragon magic

#3 artcinco

artcinco

    Inactivist

  • Admin
  • 3,325 posts
  • LocationZones of moisture...

Posted 23 January 2019 - 06:36 PM

No Tulsi Gabbard?


Why do you read that kind of crap, Art? Seriously, I don't get it.

#4 Mr. Roboto

Mr. Roboto

    Administrators

  • Admin
  • 6,720 posts
  • LocationProvo Spain

Posted 23 January 2019 - 07:52 PM

No Tulsi Gabbard?

 

Just googled her...I don't know anything about her, but she's got my vote already. 


"It was like I was in high school again, but fatter."

#5 TAP

TAP

    Advanced Member

  • TFHL Peep
  • PipPipPip
  • 2,777 posts
  • LocationHades

Posted 23 January 2019 - 10:38 PM

No Tulsi Gabbard?

 

We totally need another Putin stooge.


Show me your dragon magic

#6 Its Cousin

Its Cousin

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,471 posts

Posted 24 January 2019 - 01:23 AM

Please not Biden or Sanders or Beto

 

 

Yep, yep, boo! I like Beto, a lot, but would probably support Bloomberg over him. Also, I've never met a Kennedy that I didn't like(except Bobby's son- fuck him).



#7 TAP

TAP

    Advanced Member

  • TFHL Peep
  • PipPipPip
  • 2,777 posts
  • LocationHades

Posted 24 January 2019 - 01:28 PM

Yep, yep, boo! I like Beto, a lot, but would probably support Bloomberg over him. Also, I've never met a Kennedy that I didn't like(except Bobby's son- fuck him).

 

I like Beto too, but we need  a break from cult of personality.


Show me your dragon magic

#8 freedom78

freedom78

    Advanced Member

  • TFHL Peep
  • PipPipPip
  • 6,666 posts
  • LocationIndiana

Posted 25 January 2019 - 08:17 AM

I'm interested to see what Julian Castro has to say. 


Sister burn the temple
And stand beneath the moon
The sound of the ocean is dead
It's just the echo of the blood in your head

#9 artcinco

artcinco

    Inactivist

  • Admin
  • 3,325 posts
  • LocationZones of moisture...

Posted 27 January 2019 - 06:58 PM

The Loneliness of the Moderate Democrat


Why do you read that kind of crap, Art? Seriously, I don't get it.

#10 freedom78

freedom78

    Advanced Member

  • TFHL Peep
  • PipPipPip
  • 6,666 posts
  • LocationIndiana

Posted 28 January 2019 - 01:34 PM

 

Art, that's the best thing you've ever posted...except of course pictures of local Louisiana bands.

 

I agree with the governor that the left will assume the next election to be too easy...as they assumed of the last one.  But eventually, given the trajectory of our divisions, we'll probably elect one of these Dems.  As much as the right painted Obama as radical, he was anything but.  He was pretty reasonably center left. 


Sister burn the temple
And stand beneath the moon
The sound of the ocean is dead
It's just the echo of the blood in your head

#11 freedom78

freedom78

    Advanced Member

  • TFHL Peep
  • PipPipPip
  • 6,666 posts
  • LocationIndiana

Posted 03 April 2019 - 09:07 AM

How much attention is Pete Buttigieg getting?  I figured I was hearing about him a lot due to living in Indiana, but then the guy raised more money than everyone but Bernie.


Sister burn the temple
And stand beneath the moon
The sound of the ocean is dead
It's just the echo of the blood in your head

#12 TAP

TAP

    Advanced Member

  • TFHL Peep
  • PipPipPip
  • 2,777 posts
  • LocationHades

Posted 03 April 2019 - 12:42 PM

How much attention is Pete Buttigieg getting?  I figured I was hearing about him a lot due to living in Indiana, but then the guy raised more money than everyone but Bernie.

 

I see his name a lot but don't read any of it. That he's gay seems to be a big part of the media interest.


Show me your dragon magic

#13 freedom78

freedom78

    Advanced Member

  • TFHL Peep
  • PipPipPip
  • 6,666 posts
  • LocationIndiana

Posted 04 April 2019 - 08:09 AM

I see his name a lot but don't read any of it. That he's gay seems to be a big part of the media interest.

 

After I posted that yesterday I read a piece by Laura Ingrahamandswissonryeholdthemayo.  She insinuated connections to communism and "abortion on demand"...so he must be making a splash.


Sister burn the temple
And stand beneath the moon
The sound of the ocean is dead
It's just the echo of the blood in your head

#14 Its Cousin

Its Cousin

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,471 posts

Posted 27 April 2019 - 10:27 PM

^^^ To think... Kieth Olbermann used to date her!?!?!?! First rule of Reddit, right there.



#15 Mr. Roboto

Mr. Roboto

    Administrators

  • Admin
  • 6,720 posts
  • LocationProvo Spain

Posted 28 April 2019 - 12:07 AM

Holy crap, never knew that. ^^^


"It was like I was in high school again, but fatter."





Also tagged with one or more of these keywords: politics, election, 2020, fuck that orange jackass

0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users